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Gesture War II 3/29/09
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Nic Renegade

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Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2009

There was a sighting of Jack Belvedere on my Gadedar recently.
That only meant one thing...GESTURE WAR II!!!
It lasted an exhausting 30+minutes.
The battle was notorious.
Jack approached me with the first gesture on the side of the rink!
Onlookers scattered as they were interrupted from their peaceful All-Star afternoon.
The battle raged on to center ice!
Jack Belvedere once again fucked up, and the victory once again went to Nic Renegade!!

You really SUCK!

2-0!
Jack Belvedere
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Posted: Wed Apr 1, 2009

Hand gesture. In the United Kingdom and some other English speaking countries it is an obscene insulting gesture of defiance. Or it might just mean bunny ears.
Nic Renegade

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Posted: Wed Apr 1, 2009

That must explain why "over there" they start wars over stupid things...The bunny ears.
Larithen Karu

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Posted: Wed Apr 1, 2009

Right, I believe I can step in here When the back of the hand is facing the person you are doing it to then it means either "Up yours!" or "F*** you!" It is generally considered only a mild insult and generally only used in a comedic sense (See Bottom Live.. not sure which one, probably most of them :P) If the palm of the hand faces the person it either means "Peace out!" (See Winston Churchill for first usage) or it is indeed the bunny ears

Thank you for using the local British information centre! lol but yeah, hopefully that helps
Billybob Street

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Posted: Wed Apr 1, 2009

accept your defeat!
Jack Belvedere
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Posted: Wed Apr 1, 2009

NEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

“Death is nothing, but to live defeated and inglorious is to die daily.”
Napoleon Bonaparte 1769-1821



KingHenrik Lundquist

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Posted: Wed Apr 1, 2009

Keep your broken arm inside your sleeve.

Chinese Proverb



Silence is the virtue of fools.

Sir Francis Bacon (1561 - 1626)



I would never die for my beliefs because I might be wrong.

Bertrand Russell (1872 - 1970)
Vivienne Coppola

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Posted: Thu Apr 2, 2009

and as a footnote,,,, the reverse bunny ears as you call them is from the wars when there were archers on the battlefield the two fingers being raised are the two fingers used to draw the arrow in the bow.. if caught by the enemy the archers would often have these two fingers chopped off. Therefore this gesture was an act of "up yours" defiance by the archers to the enemy showing that they still had their two fingers intact.... so thats the reverse bunny ears... so now maybe one of you guys from across the pond can explain to me why you call sticking one finger up in the air "the bird".... I thank you.
Nic Renegade

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Posted: Thu Apr 2, 2009

Accept your destiny Belvequeer!
Naples John

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OK, Vivy... according to Google there doesnt seem to be much agreement on the origin:

From the Battle of Agincourt, the body part which the French proposed to cut off of the English after defeating them was, of course, the middle finger, without which it is impossible to draw the renowned English longbow. This famous weapon was made of the native English yew tree, and so the act of drawing the longbow was known as "plucking yew". Thus, when the victorious English waved their middle fingers at the defeated French, they said, "See, we can still pluck yew! PLUCK YEW!"

Over the years some 'folk etymologies' have grown up around this symbolic gesture. Since "pluck yew" is rather difficult to say (like "pleasant mother pheasant plucker", which is who you had to go to for the feathers used on the arrows), the difficult consonant cluster at the beginning has gradually changed to a labiodental fricative 'f', and thus the words often used in conjunction with the one-finger-salute are mistakenly thought to have something to do with an intimate encounter. It is also because of the pheasant feathers on the arrows that the symbolic gesture is known as "giving the bird".

However, this account is in dispute as follows:
Pay no attention to the pseudo-academic bluster about pheasant pluckers, labiodental fricatives and the English longbow; this is a clever and amusing spoof, not to be taken seriously.

Jesse Sheidlower, author of "The F-Word" (Random House: 1999), says the "totally ludicrous" tale erroneously conflates the etymology of the word f*ck with an older bit of folklore, itself questionable, purporting to trace the origin of the European "two-finger salute" (roughly analagous to "flipping the bird" in America) back to the taunts of British archers against the French during the Hundred Years' War.

Etymologists say f*ck found its way into the English language from Dutch or Low German during the 14th century and made its first written appearance around 1500. The word pluck, on the other hand, is of Latin derivation and there is no known linguistic connection between the two English words. It's doubtful the expression "Pluck yew" was ever uttered before 1996, when this apocryphal story first went into circulation online.

The middle-finger gesture, which has apparently had phallic connotations in every culture in which it has been used, is much older. We know it dates back to ancient Greece, at least, where it was referenced in "The Clouds," a play written by Aristophanes in 423 B.C. It was also well known to the Romans, who referred to it variously as digitus infamis ("infamous finger") and digitus impudicus ("indecent finger"). In all likelihood its origins were prehistoric.

Don't you just love academic discussions?
Larithen Karu

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Posted: Thu Apr 2, 2009

I like how you think Google is a valued source for historical material I prefer Viv's story personally
Jack Belvedere
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Last Updated: Thu Apr 2, 2009

Naples that's hilarious lmaooo

Pluck yew, Renegayde, you pleasant mother pheasant plucker.
Billybob Street

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Posted: Fri Apr 3, 2009

Jack! them be fightin words
Vivienne Coppola

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Posted: Fri Apr 3, 2009

lmao Jack and Nic aka The pheasant plucker and the pheasant pluckers son
or should that be the organ grinder and the monkey?? (i'll let you decide which is which)
Jack Belvedere
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Posted: Fri Apr 3, 2009

Vivy wrote:
lmao Jack and Nic aka The pheasant plucker and the pheasant pluckers son
or should that be the organ grinder and the monkey?? (i'll let you decide which is which)


lmaoooooooo
Nic Renegade

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Posted: Fri Apr 3, 2009

lmaoooooooooooo!

Jack you fss aucking oon sf b aitch!
Naples John

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Posted: Fri Apr 3, 2009

Naples exposes his digitus infamis .....

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